To be honest. The new Zune will be yesterdays technology. They are releasing this product come Nov. ? Apple by Jan. will have a new product line. The Zune 2 has everything that new ipods have already. I think this Zune 2 will blow up just as much as the original turd colored Zune did for like a couple weeks. Apple has the MP3 player market share by the nuts. Face it. The best decision for Apple was to open the front doors of the Ipods for the PC world. I can't say much for the greedy bastards at MS which won't even make the Zune oror Zune 2 compatible on a mac. Unless of course you wanna use bootcamp or the crappy vista to import songs on it. The iPod classic is called " Classic " for a reason. The reason being that eventually Apple will discontinue the " Classic " and the iPod Touch will be the real deal. It's only a matter of time.. and Apple is one step ahead.