Why you won't need Flash soon

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  1. Shadowriver

    Shadowriver Active Member

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    Yes, no question mark, yes you won't need flash in soon time, Apples knows that and not wasting money to pay Apple a extra $ for software that crash a lot on Mac already. I know theres thread about that but i want to write down article about it here since iPad and i don't want to waste time and no body will read it in middle page.

    Before we start PLEASE READ ARTICLE TO AND BEFORE REPLY HOW MUCH YOU NEED FLASH

    So whats the problem with Flash?

    Problem is your whining about lack of it, it's piece of software that device producer need to pay to have to satisfy you, this is not way to go. Nobody can't blame you about that, currently 95% of sites uses very outdated standard called HTML 4, it was relesed in 1997(!), at that time nobody would think about Video streaming, animations, social networking etc. in other words HTML4 didn't evolve a bit. But why you have feeling that it do? Since not HTML 4 standards go forward, but others support standard did, CSS, AJAX, XML but even with those HTML4. Is giant on weak legs. Flash came in to solve HTML4 issues, but it's NOT A STANDARD!!!! and you need to ask money eating company called Adobe to HOPEFULLY port player to your device and even tools are not free, even so there ports on non windows platform sux big one:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMt2gUpr1Lk

    So how why i won't need it soon?

    Because HTML5 revolution is near the corner, so why apple need to waste money on something that soon won't be so popular anymore.

    Whats in HTML5 that can replace Flash?

    No.1 use of of Flash is display video content on web-page, in HTML5 you don't need this

    How?

    Look how images are coded in current websites, they use <img scr="location_here"> tag, new HTML5 defines something like that for vidios and audio, you just type <video src="location_here"> and here you go you got video on your website without any plug-in! You can add "autoplay" to tag to auto play the video, brwosr can handle the controls by adding "controls" in tag, you can even do your own controls by JavaScript! Same goes with <audio> tag, even if there was MS standard that most browsers support with background sound as meta, but it was just it, <audio> tag actually can handle controls same as <video> do and thanks to JS you can make single sounds for link/button focus and click sounds, really flash'y huh?

    But Flash is better in it

    No actually, just look at this, example of safari plugin that handles YouTube video much better then flesh:

    http://www.appleinsider.com/print/0...n_adobe_flash_heats_up_with_clicktoflash.html

    nice huh? plus flash buffors when you move the cursor of video, browsers that support <video> tag download a clip to cache same as it do with images, instead of buffering and you can watch any point of video without waiting for buffer!

    But theres any cons?

    Yes, there one annoying problem that companies trying to solve, a codec problem. You see H.264 codec is patented and Mozilla and Opera refused to pay license fee to MPEG-LA and try to promote use of open codec called Theora (Video Ogg) instead and they have high chance to win this since MPEG-LA is not only browser problem but also websites developers who teoreticly also need to pay them. Currently it's more annoying for Mozilla and Opera since lack of Theora content makes H.264 number one web format. But when it will go other wise, all Apple products that don't support Theora (including iPods and iPhones) won't able to play it. It won't be issue with big sites since they already have H.264 and will have but private and smaller companies may prefer Theora. For more about this issue see here:

    http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/archives/2010/01/video_freedom_a.html

    But site won't switch

    Mah boi! they already doing this

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    Week ago Google started beta test of HTML5 video player (0 flash) on YouTube

    www.youtube.com/html5

    Still quality is not that good, but this will change
    Vimeo started too:

    http://vimeo.com/blog:268

    Also easy-to-omplement players poping up

    http://jilion.com/sublime/video (H.264, so demo is chrome and safari only)

    Just look on quality of last one

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    OK, so what about other Flash stuff, animations, interfaces?

    Ah yes, don't worry about it... HTML5 handle it too ^^
    <canvas> allow to apply animations and even quite advance ones, canvas object alone don't do much but but with power of JS it can do most of things that Flash do. All current browser except IE supports canvas, so here some fancy demos:

    http://9elements.com/io/projects/html5/canvas/ <= also uses <audio> tag for music
    http://bomomo.com/
    http://www.chromeexperiments.com/ <=not only with canvas but all without flash
    http://www.rgraph.net/ - chart example

    Even CCS3 alone kill flash in lot of situations

    http://3ping.org/demo/CSS3 RLZ!/ <= FF 3.7 (Nighly build), Chrome, safari only

    But Flash is easier to use

    You need to code in ActionScript anyway so why not switch to Canvas+JS that every browser will support? ^^

    It can do something more?

    A lot of things:

    -Local storage, website can keep data in your browser, something that Flash do too
    -Local database - same but in form of database
    -Offline web application - webpage can work offline!
    -Web Workers - multi-threaded JS
    -Geo location - You can give website your location, iPhone already support that, also web Google Maps too!
    -lot of new input types (strangely on IE and Opera supports that)
    -Drag and drop
    -Is in early stage but W3C devlops new <device> tag that allow to make audio/video convestions with out any Flash
    -lot of other stuff

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    Is this will kill Flash

    No,still flash is easy to make animations like you see in newgrounds and ads, but who wants ads?

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    Surly Flash won't be so much popular as it is today

    Conclusion

    As you see lack of flash won't be pain in ass as you think if not at all. Why should you care? Why you care about Flash in first place then? Also i spend a quite time in iPod touch fans and i see ton of unknowinged and unaware people, this cause of generating a lot of bullsh*t and myths, like infamous "Killswitch" that everyone so much panic about and so called fix for it only killed push notification (Best of all i knew about it when i seen that fix), that unawarness is reason why you say that iPad is bad and all... but it's move in right way, Apple my started weaker but others will follow anyway.

    IF someone want to get deapper in to topic:

    http://diveintohtml5.org/ <= very nice but incomplete book, saty toon
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5aJAaGZIvk <= Google I/O 2009 intro krynote promoting HTML5
    http://html5demos.com/
    Or simply google

    So in general, you don't need to whine on something that won't be popular in year or few. So promote HTML5 and as you do you will less whine about flash every day

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  2. Shawa

    Shawa Super Moderator

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    I agree that HTML5 is the way forward, but for a lot of people, I suspect a TL;DR (too long; didn't read) situation.
    Nice points here though.
  3. Shadowriver

    Shadowriver Active Member

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    What?

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    Too long, didn't read... I think.
  5. Shadowriver

    Shadowriver Active Member

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    It's better to post then not post because of that
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    ...Apples knows that and not wasteing money to pay Apple a extra $ for

    You mean Adobe. And wasting not "wasteing". Didn't you use a spell checker ?

    Edit: OMG you really didn't use a spell checker. OH, THE HUMANITY!
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    Shadowriver Active Member

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    Sorry, fixed

    I knew people will mostly point my not perfect English

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  8. bunker1990

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    Good article, thanks for posting, I wasn't too worried about the lack of Flash support by Apple, but it was nice to see that what some people are making a big deal out of is being resolved.
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    THANK YOU finally a detailed article on why flash IS A PIECE OF sh*t!!!! NOW STOP YOUR b*tchING PLEASE!
  10. stillercity

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    Great article, people really need to stop b*tching about Flash. It'll all be over soon haha.

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