i went on google and searched 'vBulletin'. i had seen this 'thing' many times on this site and wondered what it was. it turns out (i think) that it is the thing of this site. i dont know what the 'thing' is, but like'powered by vBulletin'. i wanted to make a site too, but saw that you have to pay. Bgizzle, if you dont mind, how much did you have to pay Bulletin to run this site?