Currently about half of the listed "4th gens" on ebay aren't even 4th gens. They are mistitled 3rd gens, scams, or way overpriced real 4th gens. http://cgi.ebay.com/Apple-iPod-touc...9635?pt=Other_MP3_Players&hash=item255d34ed33 Amazon dot com is your ticket to a good early price on the new 4th gen. Currently as of this morning you can preorder it for less than apple sells. 8GB is 223 shipped, 32GB is 288 shipped, 64GB is 384 shipped. http://www.amazon.com/Apple-touch-G...2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1283784497&sr=8-2 I am a student and have Amazon Prime so I receive free shipping on most items on amazon so I can't vouch for the free shipping in your case.