For those of you who already know, the space that is advertised on the package of any product that uses a hard drive is actually LESS than what is in the Hard drive itself. So my question is, how much memory does the 8 and 16 gigabyte iPod touch actually have along with the OS X and Apps on it? How much space is on it right out of the box after turning it on and plugging it into the computer without syncing any song or media data? Can anyone check? Also, which format gives more space, HFSJ+ (Mac OS X) or NTFS (Windows)? Also another question, so I dont have to waste thread space =) Are there or will there be a App that handles *******s like Transmission for OS X? Thanks guys.