SIGH, I have read through tons of this forum about the 1.1.3 and I can't sort through it all... I had a jailbroken 1.1.2 16GB Touch and it was working perfectly, I inadvertanley upgraded to 1.1.3 and now I no longer have a jailbroken Touch 16GB, once the 1.1.3 was installed it killed everything and all my apps I had on it that was "jailbroken" apps... The answers I have not found (a clear one anyways), is this: 1. Is there a way to jailbreak the 1.1.3 "safely like the 1.1.2 was?) 2. Should we all just bite the bullet and just get the $20 software upgrade (it had the main apps I used in jailbreak anyways..)... 3. Can you still "install" other apps without jailbreaking 1.1.3? For instance there was a Blackjack game, and a Text Editor, and Lybrinth, and such, will that work with the $20 Upgrade installed? Or do you HAVE to have a jailbroken Touch? I know these answers are in this forum somewhere, but after searching and reading through for 3 hours and not finding a clearcut answer, I though I would just post and see if perhaps I can get direct and clear answers... Thanks..